How to date your bottle of cognac
Many people would like to know in what year their cognac bottle was produced. A very legimate question since prices for old cognacs are going trough the roof, but not so easy to answer. There are guidelines to help you, but be careful, it is not an exact science. For instance: from 1935 till 1964 it was mandatory in the US that bottles had the phrase ‘Federal law forbids the reuse of this bottle’, but after 1964 some new bottles were still brought on the market with this sentence on it. Another example: in 1979 the US changed from US customary system (pints, quarts and ounces) to the metric system, but only after 1981 most of the labels complied. So there is a transitional period of two years. In these years they sometimes put both measures, US customary and metric, on the bottles. But even years later you see bottles having both measurements on the bottle.
Guidelines
1. Look at the obvious
2. Try to find when a brand introduced a new feature or a new quality
3. Information on the bottom of the bottle
4. Excise tax information (metal medaillons, paper tax seals)
5. Federal law sentence (US, 1935-1964)
6. Französisches Erzeugnis (Germany, 1918 until 1964)
7. Tidyman symbol (1969)
8. Estimated sign or e-mark (1976)
9. Bar-code (1980s)
10. Content in US customary units, UK imperial units or metric measurements (1979-1981)
11. Standard drinks
12. Cotisation symbol (1984-2000)
13. Governmental warning (1989)
14. Green point symbol (1990s)
15. Recycling symbol (1994)
16. Pregnancy icon (2006)
1. The obvious
It does not always have to be difficult. When a bottle is especially made to celebrate an anniversary or commemorate a historic event, the date of that event will be stated on the bottle and that obviously is the year the bottle was produced. There are numerous examples: the silver jubilee of the Queen (Martell bottle 1977), the battle of Freedland (Napoleontic war in 1807, on a ceramic drum of Camus ), the election of president Obama (as the 44th president on a Hennesy bottle in 2009).
But a warning: some bottles had so much success that they have been produced for an extended period of time. Like the Napoléon books of Camus that initially were made in 1969 to remember his birthday in 1769. They are made in huge quantities, in several different colours, portrayed in full or just his bust, and by several different porcelain manufacturers. (I can not believe they would switch between more than two porcelain producers in just one year).
Some bottles have additional information on a card or tag hanging around the neck, like some Martell bottles (Cordon Argent or Extra and others, also some Cordon Bleu bottles).
2. Introduction dates of new bottles or features
When you can find the date of introduction of a bottle, you can certainly narrow down the period. For many old bottles this precise date is not known anymore, not even the brands themselves know, but sometimes you can find uselful information on the internet.
We know for instance that Rémy Martin introduced the Louis XIII in 1874. We also know the first Baccarat bottles of the Louis XII were made around 1900. The bottles with a white top were made until 1981 and the bottles with the golden tops started in 1979.
On my bottle catalog pages I have collected as many different botttles as I could find and put them in some sort of logical order. When the date of a bottle was given or if I just knew it, I have put it there. So you could try to find your bottle in these catalogs.
Besides different features of the bottles, other changes occur during the years. Very important indicators of the age of a bottle are the boxes in which they were sold.
Some brands issue limited editions every year. Like Hennessy VS, VSOP and XO limited editions or Rémy Martin Cannes Festival editions. These years are well known to the collectors.
For one quality several different bottle shapes have possibly been used or different labels. Take a look at these VSOP’s of Bisquit.
To date a Cordon Bleu of Martell the type of cap that was used is important (amongst many other features).
3. Information on the bottom of a bottle
Useful information is to be found on the bottom of a bottle. You can sometimes find which glass manufacturer made the bottle. If it was for instance Saint Louis Cristalleries on a Louis XIII white top bottle of Rémy Martin, you know it is after 1969.
Other information can be the content, if this is not stated on the label or the back of the bottle.
Often serial numbers are put on the bottom, that correspond with certain years. This last piece of information is difficult to recover, but can be helpful as a last resort. The assistence of the manufacturer is needed though.
Sometimes you find a date, so that gives clear information. But be warned. A number of two digits not necessarily indicates a date. This is often misinterpreted. A number of four digits starting with 19 or 20 is more promissing to be a date, but not always.
4. Excise tax information
In a number of countries tax seal strips or metal medaillons were used in a specific period.
ITALY:
From 1930 till 1959 little round metal seals were used, hanging around the neck:
Successively they were:
- Seal of Fascist Italy, used from Novembre 27th, 1933 till May 5th, 1944. It shows the shield of the House of Savoy (Sabaudo) with a crown on top and a fasces on each side.
- Seal of the Kingdom, used from June 1st, 1944 till Decembre 12th, 1947. Again with the shield of the House of Savoy (Sabaudo) with a crown on top. Both fasces have disappeared and are being replaced by tendons. They are surrounded by a royal cloak.
- Headseal, used from Decembre 31st, 1947 till April 29th, 1949. With the arrival of the republic a woman’s head was introduced.
- Seal with star, used from April 4th, 1949 till June sixth, 1959. Five-pointed star.
A small problem for dating a bottle exists because it was allowed to use old stocks of these seal until they were finished. Five-pointed star seal were seen until late in the 1960s.
As of 1959 Italy started using paper seals, but paper seals had also been used long before that date. It proves to be extremely dificult to obtain reliable information about the exact periods these seals were used. On some websites made by whisky-aficionados you can find some information and although these seals were used for grain based spirits one may assume that there have been many similarities. An important difference is of course that the whisky-seal has ‘Aquavite di cereali’ stated as the cognac seal has ‘Aquavite di vino’ or ‘Distillato di vino’. The full text: ‘Imposta fabricazione, distillato di vini, contrassegno di stato’. So on the one end is a star and on the other side of the text is stated, printed obliquely, ‘piu di tre anni’ or ‘distillato di vino invecchiato piu di tre anni’ (wine based distillate, aged over three years).
An old seal with the Savoy shield from the 1940s:
- From 1952 till 1971 pink paper seals were used with three stars (one in the middle and one on each end). The content was stated as a fraction (for instance: da litri 3/4):
- From 1971 till 1976 pink paper seal with two stars were used for whisky’s (one star in the middle and one on one end) and ‘da litri 3/4’ stated (or another fraction of course). I have not seen these on any cognac bottles, so maybe they were not used for cognacs:
- From 1977 till 1991 pink paper seal with two stars were used (one in the middle and one on one end) and ‘da litri 0,750’ stated (or an other quantity). Again, I have not seen them being used for cognacs, only for whisky bottles:
- From 1991-2005 half pink and half green seals and ‘Litri 0,700’ stated, and again, I have not seen these on cognac bottles:
- Interestingly enough, on cognac bottles we mostly see seals in red with only one star. They appear to be from the 1970s and 1980s. No information on such seals on the whisky-sites:
A little warning: in Italy old seals were sometimes used as long as they were available before they started using the new ones. So it happens quite regularly that on the seal it says ‘Litri 0,750’, but on the label of the bottle itself is stated ‘700m’! What can you say…
- From 2005 green seals and three letters and the content written as 0,70L. The text: ‘accise alcole etilico, bevande alcoliche’.
US:
After prohibition ended in 1933 they started with red paper seal strips which they have been using until 1985.
Upper and lower sides of the tax strips:
- From 1934-1977 the text were : ‘US Internal Revenu’ and ‘Tax Paid’, ‘Distilled spirits’.
- After 1977 ‘US Internal Revenue’ was changed into ‘Bureau ATF’.
- From 1982 ‘Tax paid’ and ‘distilled spirits’ was replaced by Distilled’ and ‘spirits’.
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Near the eagle’s feet:
- 1934-1944: non-series.
- From 1944-1960 ‘series 111’ was printed here.
- From 1961-1982 this changed into ‘series 112’.
- After 1982: non-series.
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At the end of the strips:
- From 1934-1960 the content was given on both ends of the strips.
- From 1961 this place was left empty.
After 1985 they stopped using tax seal strips in the US.
5. The Federal Law sentence
In 1935 the US ordered to have the following phrase stated on each bottle: “Federal law forbids the reuse of this bottle”. Almost always this sentence was embossed on the glass, but is could also be printed on the label.
After 1964 this decree was lifted. So if the bottle does not have this phrase and it is not from before 1935, it is very probably after 1964. But be informed that some people – though very rare – have encountered bottles as late as 1970 with the phrase still on the bottle. It is not exact science.
6. Französisches Erzeugnis
In Germany it was mandatory from 1918 (after WW-I) until 1964 to state the origin of the product. For cognac from France, therefore, ‘Fransösisches Erzeugnis’ was indicated on all bottles. Sometimes on the front and sometimes on the back. But it didn’t really stop after 1964 so you can see it until the 1990s.
7. The tidyman symbol
The Tidyman symbol was invented in the US in the 1950s. It is introduced in the UK in 1969. It is now used in several countries, but it is voluntarily. Variations on the tidyman symbol exist, like the tidyman glass symbol.
8. Estimated sign or e-mark
It was introduced in 1976 by a EU-directive and is still in use in the European Union.
9. Bar-code
The Bar-code was introduced in the US in 1973 and became widely used from the 1980s. It is still in use today.
In the European countries EAN-13 is used, a binary code for thirteen numbers. It was invented in 1974 and is widely used, probably to become the new world-standard.
So if a bar-code is seen on a bottle, it is not older than 1980. And without such a code it is very probably from before 1985.
10. Content in US customary, UK imperial or metric measurements (1979-1981)
Both in the US and in the UK different measurement systems were in use, as opposed to the metric system in Europe. At the end of the nineteen-seventies the US and UK started the transition to the metric system.
In the US the change took roughly two years. So after 1981 every bottle has their content in metrics and most of them already aftre 1980. But not only during the transition period, also for years after, bottles could have both measurements stated next to eachother on the label.
In the UK the transition period took longer because only after 1995 it was mandatory to have the content in metrics. Though it must be said that most ‘goods’ used prescribed units (i.e. metrics) already in 1980; but not all and I do not know precisely about alcoholic goods.
Other countries, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, completed the change in 1980.
Another little problem re the UK measurements is they used to subtract 20ml from the volume to put on the labels. So a 70cl bottle got a label stating 68cl and a 25.2 fl.oz. bottle a label saying 24 fl.oz. The reason behind this was that it was a serious violation to sell a bottle with less content than was stated on the label. So to be sure they put a lower number on it. This habit disappeared when the UK joined the European Union in 1973.
In the US the standard bottle size was 1/5th of a gallon, so when they transitioned to the metric system (1-1-1979) the standard bottle size became 750ml, which is as close to a fifht gallon as possible. In most parts of the world this was the standard. But in 1990 the European Union choose 700ml as the standard for liquor bottles and 750ml for wines.
11. Standard drinks
In the nineteen-eightees the ‘standard drinks’ were invented. So if printed on a bottle it surely is after 1980.
12. Cotisation symbol
The cotisation symbol was used between 1984 and 2000.
13. Governmental warning
From 1989 on it is mandatory in the US to put the governmental warning on bottles containg alcohol.
14. Green point symbol
It was invented in Germany in 1990. A bottle with this symbol therefore is after 1990. It is also known as Green Dot Symbol.
The green point symbol does not necessarily have to be green. The pictogram consists of two intertwined arrows.
15. Recycling symbol
The recycling symbol was invented in 1970 for World Earth Day but is used on liquor bottles since 1994 to indicate that the bottle is capable of being recycled. There are several variations of the symbol.
16. Pregnancy icon
This icon is voluntarily used by producers. In use since 2006. Obligatory in France since 2007.
Just wondering what year and what it’s worth can’t find bottle anywhere was my grandads
Is this a personalized bottle? What dies it say? Ap Petri?
May you can send me a better photo by mail, so I can read the details?
Friend of mine sent me this picture. From what I can find Champanac was purchased by or rebranded to Unicognac, who seem to have their hands in everything. Was wondering if you knew about when that transition happened so I could give my buddy a minimum guess on age.
Hello,
To me Champanac is a bit of a mystery. I have seen labels with Champanac – Jonzac and with Champanac – St. Jean d’Angély.
I have also seen a bottle of “Domenic Cognac” with Ste Champanac – Jonzac in the address line.
I have no real information that Champanac is taken over by Unicognac other than one person mentioning this in a comment somewhere online, but that would not really be a big surprise as they are the largest firm in Jonzac.
But I am interested to get a good photo of this bottle from top to bottom, and a good close-up of the label, so I can read the text. If your friend would be so nice, I would appreciate that very much.
Kind regards,
Ton
Hi there I’m having some trouble identifying a exact year for a bottle of Hennessy, the federal seal on top says series 112 so I would think it would be after 1961 but the seal also has the distributor information ( schieffelin & Co – New York, N.Y. ) on one side and what I’m assuming to be the bottle number (20164960) on the other and I see that you stated that they stopped putting the information on there in 1960. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.
Hello Kevin,
So they stopped the 111 series in 1960 and started the 112 in 1961. Maybe not exactly on the 1st of January 1961, but around that time. The same goes for leaving off the information on the ends of the tax strip.
But on the end of the strip the content was printed, not the distributors name, nor a bottle number. The distributors name could have been printed on the side of the strip, but not on the very end.
So I think one can only say that the bottle is 1961 or later. But these bottles were soon after replaced by another model, so this is a 1960s bottle, not later.
Is there maybe a US State stamp on the bottle. US State stamps were changed almost on a yearly base. But you have to know these stamps and I do not, so you have to find someone else who knows about them.
Regards,
Ton
Is this worth anything it is unopened?
Sorry Ros, this is brandy, and although cognac too is a brandy, I am only familiar with cognac prices, not with other brandies like this one.
Group:
I am trying to identify the year/ value of this bottle. A panorama image is attached – I am not an expert on cognac but (generally) know my way around a bottle. Other than the obvious – is there anything anyone can tell me?
There is no label on the reverse and nothing pertinent (I believe) on the underside.
Any information would be useful. I am not under the impression that this is an overly valuable bottle – just trying to identify it for a colleague to whom it was gifted in the 70s (his claim).
Thanking you all in advance.
Charles
Hi Charles,
I haven’t seen this bottle before. I would not be surprised if this is older than 70s, maybe 60s, because of the 5 star denomination, but this type of label was indeed used by Delamain in the 1970s.
Five stars was used to state that the cognac had aged more than a three star cognac, for which 2 years of ageing was a minimum. But in the 1960s en 70s other qualifications were already widely used by Delamain for their better (older) quality cognacs and 5 stars is regarded as young cognac.
I can´t make out what units were used for content and ABV. Maybe you can send me some better photos please, one of the whole bottle and a close-up of the label?
Five stars qualification is almost never used by Delamain, in fact this is the first I see. That makes it scarce, but not necessarily valuable. I would estimate this bottle to fetch around €100.
Ton
Ton:
Thank you for writing back – and in English. While I have some Dutch, it is not nearly enough to converse on specialized topics.
I am sending you two sets of joined images – separate postings. Please let me know if they suffice.
My colleague has said that it was a gift in the early 70s but he knows (remembers) nothing more. We are in Quebec, Canada, if that helps at all.
I understand about the value – not my bottle anyway and I care only if it is opened one day so that I might arrange to be around with an appropriate vessel awaiting a fill.
My thanks again.
Charles
Second set of images.
Hi again,
Sorry for the late response, I had missed your comment. Indeed, I think it may be worthwhile to be around when the bottle is opened. Delamain has an excellent reputation, so even a 5 star cognac will taste good. In the 60’s it was not unusual for star cognacs to have matured for a long time before being bottled, even three star cognacs and this is 5 star.
The photos are good but unfortunately a little small. I am sending you an email in hopes that you will send the photos in larger size so that I can put a photo on the website.
Sincere,
Ton
Me dad gave me this bottle of cognac can anyone tell me anything about it year etc
This is the box it come in
This bottle is from the 1970s. It is good quality cognac, aged long in wooden casks.
The worth has gone up in the past five years, from around €100 to €150-200 nowadays.
Ton
I have an unopened bottle of Hennessy with a date on label of 1934. Ehat would be the value approximately?
Hallo Beverly,
What kind of Hennessy, a three star?
Could you upload a photo?
Ton
Hello,
I’m looking for an approximate age of this bottle. I am guessing it is from the 50’s or 60’s.
I can’t tell without seeing the capsule.
And do you perhaps also have the box?
Ton
I do not have the box, never have.
Purchased from a duty free shop.
I still can’t make out the capsule. Looks like a screw cap, or is it a cork?
If I send you an e-mail, can you send me the photo’s?
Photo of the bottom.
The only thing I know is that the brand name now is owned by Camus.
Looking at the label I would estimate this bottle to be from the 1960s. Also because it says brandy and the word cognac is printed nowhere on the label or the cap. Probably made for the UK market.
I can’t really read the words, but it looks as if: ‘pure French brandy’ and below: ‘product of France’.
Is there a date (of establishment) to the left or right side of the emblem?
If I send you an e-mail, could you send me a better picture of the whole bottle, standing up?
Ton
Hi, can you please help me with this bottle of brandy ? There is no back label and not really much info on front one . There are numbers 07, 12 (there are 2 dots on top of it) and 17 on bottom of the bottle .I Can upload more photos if needed. Thank you very much in advance.
Looking to date this bottle from my grandfathers collection that we inherited. It does have the US internal revenue printed on the pink tax sticker on the top of the bottle. The bottom of the bottle says “liquor bottle” and has the numbers 123, 423, and 73 embossed separately into the glass.
Hi Eli,
I don’t know the date of this bottle. Looking at the cap I would say 1970s. Does the tax sticker not provide any other information? Or the vack label?
Because it says 4/5 quart it is certainly before 1980.
Ton
I’m trying to find out how old the bottle of cognac is. Could you give me any information on this?
Well, I can’t even make out what brand it is. Can you send me a better picture? I will send you an email to facilitate.
Ton
Thanks for the better pictures. So the brand name is H. Poitiers. I have heard of it, but have no further information about this brand. It is a VSOP bottle, probably from the 1960s. It also says that it is a Napoleon, which seems to contradict that it is a VSOP, but happened more often in those years. The level of filling is still good. Because the brand name is very unknown and the condition of the label is pretty bad, I would not expect people to pay more than €40 for this bottle.
The only other bottle of this brand that I ever saw is here.
The bottle is an entry in the table on this page
It looks like there is some text above ‘Französisches Erzeugnis’. If you can decipher that and it is an address line (name of a city perhaps) I would be interested to know!
Hello Sir,
Thank you for your work and for this website which is full of of beautiful archives.
I’m trying to trace the history of an old House of Cognac called Delpeuch-Joyeux. This House was created by my great great grandfather Auguste Delpeuch in the late 19th century.
I will be very grateful if you have any information (creation date, …) or pictures about the Cognac Delpeuch-Joyeux to share with me.
Staying at your disposal if you have any questions.
Best
Frederic
Hello Frederic,
I am very sorry, but I have to tell you that the only information I have about Delpeuch-Joyeux is from an old label that was on a website. This website is now closed. It belonged to Paul Ronne who died a few years ago. I happen to know that some people are trying to get this website back online because it was a true treasure for information, it contained thousands of cognac labels.
On the Delpeuch-Joyeux label that was displayed was Jarnac written as the place were the firm had its housing. There was no date of establishment on the label.
Sincere regards,
Ton
I’m trying to figure out how old the bottle of cognac is. Has a seal on the cap ,never opened, # 427813513,. Can you tell.me a out it,
Is it a Rémy Martin bottle?
Does anyone have information as to when it became mandatory to put the the volume of the contents on the bottle or its label in the UK. I have seen many older bottles that state the proof but no indication of the volume in the bottle?
Excellent question, one on which I would like to hear the answer too.
It seems that from 1970 on every bottle had the content stated. So somewhere during the 1960s I think.
Anyone knowing better?
Hi,
Have two bottles of Otard V.S.O.P. 1795 from my fatter collection. They are older than 1996 (death of my father).
Attach photo of one of them. Can you tell how old is it ?
The drop-shaped VSOP bottles are from 1980 and 1990s. This longer neck label was later than the short neck label. Check Otard catalogue section VSOP under 3d1 and 3d2. Prices on auctions vary betweeen €25 and 35.
Regards,
Ton
Hello there , and what a great website ! I love it when people are passionate about something. Can you please give me any details about this large bottle. Has the label been faked or is that just how it has aged .The contents taste good 🙂 Thank you MS
Hi Maurice,
Thanks for the compliments. Regarding your bottle I can’t be sure. It seems like I am looking at the back side of a 3.78L three star bottle?
Maybe you can send better photos by e-mail? I will send you my e-mail address.
Sincere,
Ton
Hi Ton
Kudos to your meticulous effort in hosting this fine website!
After looking through your Hennessy bottle catalog, I am not sure whether my bottle of VSOP Hennessy matches the bottle images of ‘DFS sticker’ or ‘DFS sticker in grey tints’ under the section 10b. Shoulder labels state ‘VSOP Privilege Cognac’ or ‘VSOP Privilege’.
In your opinion, would there be any difference in the values of these two bottles? For that matter, do you think there would be any difference in the values of the 1L bottles under section 10 since they are all VSOP Privilege from 1989?
I have a couple bottles of unopened Martell Cordon Bleu that I am not sure of the date after looking through your Martell bottle catalog, too. I would appreciate if I can ask you more through email. Thanks in advance.
At the moment I have a little holiday. I will answer you in a few days.
Ton
No hurry. Take your time, Ton 🙂
Take care, stay safe & enjoy your holiday with sips of cognac during this turbulent times!!! 😀
I see no differences between your bottle and the one on the website with the orange sticker. These will go for around €45 for a 70cl bottle. Prices may vary though if more than one person really wants it!
This 1L bottle could get you €60-70 maybe, if lucky.
I will send you an e-mail for questions about Martell.
Cheers,
Ton
Hi Ton,
I have an 80s unopened bottle of Courvoisier VSOP, plus two unopened 1960s bottles of Benedictine and a couple of others, also unopened. I have handled them carefully and shone a light through the bottles, there is no sediment in any. I have not cleaned the bottles. I’m interested in selling the lot if possible and I’m reasonable knowing you’d have to make a profit. I’m in Bronxville NY, please provide an email that I can contact you via. Thanks, Rick
Hello Rick,
This website is not intended for buying and selling. So I think it is best for you to find another website or an auction site. Maybe Drinks Planet?
Regards,
Ton
Hi Ton,
Not bottle-related, but I just wanted to say thanks for such a great site. I’m a historical fiction author who is putting together info for a class for other historical junkies like myself about what gentlemen drank during the Regency and I really appreciate all the info I found here. I’ll be sure to reference your site in my bibliography!
Best,
Jeannine
Thank you for the compliments. And I am honoured to be referenced.
Ton
Hi
I find this in my passed away father in law house
Nice find. If it has been standing upright and the level in the bottle has not dropped, it is a decent cognac to drink.
Cheers
Could you please tell me what year this set came out bottle number SG075D7G thank you
Hello,
Sorry, I can not. There have been numerous gift boxes, but I haven’t seen this one before. As far as I can tell (the photo is rather small) these bottles were from 1980-2000s. I can’t make out what the left bottle is, is it empty?
Maybe with some more information…
I’ll send you an e-mail to make sending photo’s easier.
Sincere,
Ton
Hi, may I know how much is this worth? Looks like a Singapore edition that has just been passed down to me.
Hi James,
This is the first 1L bottle with this dark blue label I see. The 70cl bottles are currently being auctioned for £115-160. Prices are still going up. Two years ago these bottles did £80-115 and now sometimes over £150. But you have to be a bit lucky.
This being a 1L bottle I estimate it can fetch a bit more (£140-200).
It would be nice to put a photo of the whole bottle on my Martell catalog page Martell catalog page . I will send an e-mail to facilitate.
Regards,
Ton
Hello, trying to date (and value) this bottle. Any help would be great 🙂
Hello Hannah,
Very nice bottle you have there. This is a very rare bottle, although I have seen similar bottles in auctions. But so far no auctioneer has dared to put a date of bottling on it. Going by the style of the closure and the label, I would say this is 1920-40s. These pre-phylloxera cognacs are worth quite a lot. The level of filling is okay in view if its age. I would put an estimate on it of €2.500-3.000 in Europe (maybe a bit less in the US), but you’ll know exactly what its worth once you have sold it on an auction. That is to say you have to wait how much people are prepaired to bid.
I hope you are willing to send me another photo of the bottle without the top cut off? I will send an e-mail to facilitate.
Kind regards,
Ton
We are trying to determine a value for this bottle of Hennessy that we found in our grandfather’s bottle collection. It is unopened and the back label says it was bottled in April 1934.
Hello Kathryn,
Nice bottle. I have not seen this type of closure before (look at the Hennessy bottle catalog page for known bottles: https://cognac-ton.nl/overige/flessen-a/hennessy-bottles-70cl-and-up/#VSb.)
I would like to see some more photo’s: of the closure, of the emblem above the three stars (can you make out what it says?) and of the back side. I am curious to the literal text… Does it say ´bottled´?
I hope you are willing to send them and I will send you an e-mail to facilitate.
The value of a bottle is of course determined during an auction, but bottles from the 1940s are being sold for €250-300. Almost none are from before the 1940s.
Kind regards,
Ton
Hello, I am trying to date this bottle of Courvoisier Cognac. I suspect is must be early 70’s, late 60’s. And clearly is must have been for export given the label on the back and the indication of 1 US quart on the front. Not sure if the code BA4260 is of any help.
Hallo Gerard,
A bottle very much like this one is on my Courvoisier bottle catalog page, section 7a, second to last bottle. I think these are 1970s. But I am very doubtful that yours is a US bottle. It has 1 US Quart on it, but also 945cl. In the US the transition to the metric systeem took place in 1979-1980. But there is also a transition period for the alcohol content in the US. Until 1985-1986 it was compulsory to state the alcoholic content in proof. And only from 1987 on it was compulsory to state it in percent-alcohol-by-volume. Usually the first 10 years of so after 1987 they put both the alcoholic content in ABV and in proof on the bottle.
Also it is a bit strange to have the text ‘reservé à l’exportation’ on the back in French, not in English.
Lastly: there is no paper US tax seal on top of the bottle.
My questions: how or where did you buy this bottle and … can it be Canadian maybe??? I am not too familiar with Canadian Law and bottles, but if I have some time this week I will try to look into it.
Regards,
Ton
It can’t be Canadian, because the Canadian country used the Imperial UK)system of units. One imperial quart under the Imperial system of units equals 1.14L and not 0.945L.
Other candidates are some countries in Middle-America and South-America.
But still, this very probably is a 1970s bottle.
Hello. We found this bottle years ago in a 1930s house we bought. Can you give us any information about it please? Can only seem to upload one photo. Glass at bottom inside is sloped. Glass stopper, cork around rim of neck. Number on bottom of glass is 185. Many thanks, Margie S.
Hello Margie,
Have you a brand name for me?
Reards,
Ton
I have this bottle but I don’t know how old it is. The labels are already torn off due to water but I have these embossed in the bottom. Hope you can help me.
Sorry Godfrey, that is too little to go by. I don’t even know what brand it is. Is it a Hennessy XO?
Can anyone help with dating this bottle. It has the pregnancy warning sticker on the reverse side, so likely make after 1989?
Hi William,
Because of the neck (no embossed letters) it is after 1989 for sure. The pregnancy warning sticker was first used in 2006.
If you have the box that belongs to the bottle, you can narrow it down a little. See here:
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To tell the age by its number, you have to ask Rémy Martin, but I doubt very much if they will answer such a question.
Kind regards,
Ton
Thanks so much for the background and your fast response!
Regards,
William
Any one have an idea about this Courvoisier I recently acquired? No distinguishing governmental markings at all on the glass, obviously no dates on the labels. The stamp on the left side says “Nombre Limite No. BA4297”. There is a single label on the rear which only says “Reserve A L’Exportation”
I assume you forgot to add a photo?
I’ll sen you an e-mail to make it easier to send a decent photo.
Ton.
Ok, so this is the bottle. It is on my Courvoisier catalog page, section 7d2:
https://cognac-ton.nl/overige/flessen-a/courvoisier-bottle-library/.
These are 1950-60s bottles (maybe early 70s too, but not this one). They are being sold on Europese auction sites for about €50. On occasion they can fetch you more. I once saw a bottle go for almost €200, but that was in Canada.
Kind regards,
Ton
Hi there my wife just found this at her dads house (in the UK). Any idea when it dates from (no bar code or symbols that I can find and the volume is in imperial only. Thanks in advance!
Hello Daniel,
This bottle is 1970s. Around 1980-81 all UK bottles already had the volume stated in centiliters.
The three star was being replaced by VS, starting in the 1970s. This must be one of the first Rémy Martin VS bottles.
Kind regards,
Ton
That’s great thanks for the speedy response!
So the next question is whether we should sell it or crack it open and have a good night?
Cheers
It’s a VS quality, so the lowest. These will not bring much, you should expect €25-35.
In which case we might as well drink it!
Thanks again
Hello,
I estimate this bottle to be from the 1980s (bar code, no surgeon general safety warning, metric system). Are there any features that could provide a more exact date?
Attaching photos below.
Thank you for your time!
Hello,
No, that’s pretty accurate. After 1976 because of the bar-code and after 1980 because it is metric (if so, because I can’t read that). The boxes were in use from the late 1970s until well in the 1990s. The governmental warning sentance started 1989. There were not many other symbols on these bottles. Sometimens a cotisation symbol (from 1984), but when it’s not there it has no meaning. Maybe a tax seal, was there no US tax seal?
Regards,
Ton
Hi there ,
Any idea of the age of this bottle . It has printed T RABY 487 Cognac on the base
That is too little information for me, sorry.
It sure looks like an old bottle, possibly late 19th century?
how to understand lot code of hennnessy Ex picture ” L5 251 44 04018
Hi,
That is a very good question. I have not found anyone yet who could tell me the answer. So to know the answer you’ll have to ask the Hennessy company. Though I am not sure whether they will answer.
If anyone else knows how to interpret this code, I will be happy to hear from you.
Kind regards,
Ton
Hi Sir ,
Can u share about the year of bottle ?
I purchased this bottle at auction and was told the mixed case of liquor was found inside of a wall in the home. I thought this might mean it was around during prohibition, but after reading through your site it appears to be after 1935 as the bottle is stamped with the Federal Reuse statement. I am very curious how old the bottle is. I’ll open it and drink it when I finish Grad School unless you tell me it’s worth more than my house. Can you date the notes from this picture or do you need any more information?
Hi,
Nice story.
I wouldn’t know the price of your house, so I can’t really advice you what to do.
But this is a 1950s bottle, imported by Schieffelin. The crimped cap in black and gold colour started in the 1950s.
The problem with this bottle is the filling level. It has lost more through evaporation than might be expected for its age (bottles with better fillings are around, though seldom)and the alcohol level will be low. This will affect the taste. So drinking it is also not a real option 🙁
But with a little luck in an auction it still can fetch you probably €400-500.
I would love to have some better pictures. Maybe that will be easier by mail, so I’will mail so you will have my e-mailaddress.
Cheers,
Ton
Hi please could you give me any information on this. It was in my late mothers sideboard. It he number is FB0591. It is in a box,
Thanks
M x
Hi Amanda,
These bottles were made from 1975 till 1984. I think it says 24 floz and 68cl below on the label, so that would make it 1970s.
Today they go over €200 on auctions.
Could you please send me a better picture of the whole bottle?
I’ll will e-maill you so it will be easier to attach a bigger format photo.
Regards,
Ton
Hello, i am looking for some information on a bottle that has been on my family for almost 20 years. I am unable to fund any information. I tried speaking so others and they stated it is no longer being produced and theres nothing in the database. Can you please help.
Hi Melissa,
I don’t think this is a cognac, but rather a brandy. Does it say ‘finest French brandy? just above Napoleon?
I am not familiar with brandies, so I can’t tell you anything about it.
Good luck,
Ton
Hi
Trying to date these two. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Tom K
These bottles are from the 1970s (roughly).
Looking at the duty seals, which are very difficult to read because of the small format photo’s, I can narrow it down to 1977-1982: I can’t see the volume stated on end of the seal, so it must be after 1976. And because it says Distilled spirits on the lower right side, it must be before 1982.
Cheers,
Ton
Thank you! Any auction value to speak of?
Hi,
Not really. The VSOP under €50 and the Pale & Dry around €100.
With a lot of luck the P&D sometimes fetches over €150.
Better to drink them yourself, considering the bustle and auction fees.
Cheers,
Ton
Cool website 🙂
Do you have any clue how to date this? Googling doesn’t really help me as “prices” are all over the place. Found this in someone’s basement who wanted to throw it away, I’m just curious about it’s history.
Hi Michel,
This is from after 1976. The screw cap 3 star luxe is usually estimated for €25-50 by auctioneers. You have to be relyy luck to get a higher price. The 3 star quality is the lowest grade cognac. I’m afraid I can’t tell you much more about its hostory.
Cheers,
Ton
Hi Ton,
Thanks for the info, that’s more than I had before. For me it’s not about the quality or value as I already figured it wasn’t that high. I just wanted to know what I was gonna be drinking.
You wouldn’t happen to have a rough estimate as to when they stopped using this specific bottle? After 1976 still technically gives me a 44 year span.
Regards,
Michel
In the 1980s (end 80s) another bottle replaced the one you have.
Ton
Cool, thanks for sharing your knowledge. 🙂
Hi there,
Fantastic website, very cool to see someone so interested in and knowledgeable about a passion of their’s.
I have an old unopened bottle of VSOP Courvoisier Cognac (please see attached). I am trying to date and maybe price this bottle – the liquid level is just on the VSOP label when level, implying a bit of evaporation perhaps? I have found a stamp in the glass at on the bottom of the bottle. It’s very hard to read, and on the angled part, but I managed to put a piece of paper over it and scratch with a pencil, and the imprint I get looks like 99.
Would 1999 be a realistic date for a bottle with this type of label? If not, when would you date this bottle, and what would a rough price be? Thanks in advance for your help!
Hi again,
Just considered that the 99 could be a 66 too! Maybe this would be more realistic, given the condition of the bottle. Thanks!
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your compliments.
These bottles with the content both stated in floz and cl are from the transition period were they moved from the ‘imperial’ system to the metric system. This periode began in 1979 and lasted till the end of the eightees. So the 66 or 99 is not the year and also not the content. These VSOP’s are not very expensive. On auctions they go for about 35-45 euro’s.
If possible I would like a front view photo of the whole bottle, without your hand on it, to put on my website. So including the top of the capsule.
Thanks in advance,
Ton
Hi Ton,
Thanks for the reply and the info! Good to know a bit more about the bottle. I’ve attached a better photo for you too.
Cheers,
Chris
Thanks very much!
would that be 35-45 Euros if full and unopened? I am wondering what this would be worth in the cannon cradle.
Yes, that is correct: full and unopened.
The prices of bottles in a canon cradle are not that much higher, but they vary more. From €40 to 100.
And although they are not very rare it surprises me that they do not go for more.
hi there was wondering if somebody could give me some history or knowledge on these two bottles
The top one is not a cognac, but a brandy.
The bottom one is from the 1980s, a low quality cognac (three star or VS.)
Please advice the year of made.
Thank you
Book1
Hi … can you please tell me which year was made …
Appreciated
They were from the 1970s.
Thank you very much … Please also help by above “BOOK 1”
Once again, Thanks ~
Trying to find how old my gold barrel of cognac is..never opened..number on top of bottle is 413605972 djohnson 7291960 @gmail.com
Hi Deborah,
That is not much information to go by (no photo). Is it a Hennessy barrel? They were from the end 1960s. The number on top has no sigificance to me. Maybe the Hennessy firm would know.
Kind regards,
Ton
I have a ceramic cognac jar with a picture of napoleon and an eagle each side, on the other side there are two canon with flags. What is the date of manufacture, and is there any value.
Hi Les,
A lot of ash trays have been made in the past, but I am not sure which one you have. Léopold Brugerolle made ash trays with canons, but as far as I know not with a flag on it. Could you send a few pictures maybe?
I will send an e-mail, that might be handier.
Regards,
Ton
Hi, I have a bottle of old Hennessy Xo unopen. Trying to find it’s date of bottling and current value. No bar code or other labels can be seen on the bottle.
Hope someone could advise on this. Thanks.
I can’t see any bottle here…
Hello! I wonder if you could help me with dating this bottle and even the value. There is no year and I am not able to find any of the traits that you detailed in the article. I am still new to this!! What you can’t see on the label is on the top right side are five red stars in a circle. I also have not been able to find out the meaning of this. Thank you so much for your help!!!
Hello Lisa,
It is difficult to determine the age of a bottle on a partial photo, but I think this is a five star bottle from the 1960-70s, imported in the US. It seems to be exactly the same bottle as the first one on my bottle catalog page of Hine: https://cognac-ton.nl/overige/flessen-a/hine-bottle-library/#St
This is a low quality bottle that is not worth much more than a three star or VS bottle today.
I do not know what you mean by five stars in a circle on the top right side. I cannot remember having seen that before. If you post a photo of it, may be it will bcome clear to me.
Kind regards,
Ton
Hi Ton,
Thank you very much for your prompt response and sharing your wealth of knowledge! I have attached a pic of the five stars. I have additional photos of the bottle but they are too large to post and I am not very savvy when it comes to adjusting the size. I would be happy to email them over to you if you’d like. Otherwise I can include them in individual comments. I think you are right that it is the first bottle, with the only difference of the stars sticker/Queen Elizabeth II sticker.
Again, I appreciate your help – and hope you have a lovely weekend!
Best,
Lissa
Hello. Could you tell me more about this bottle and evaluate it?
The A.E. Dupuy brand was taken over by Rustad and Bache-Gabrielsen in 1905. They held on to the name A.E. Dupuy. This VSOP is made from grande and petite champagne grapes that they bought from other winegrowers to age in their cellars.
It also says ‘Napoleon Réserve’ and ‘Très Vieux’, indicating that it has been aged for a very long time, possibly over 20 years, maybe over 30 even. Difficult to say when it was bottled, but looking at the capsule and type of label I estimate this to be bottled in the 1950’s. I do not know of any Dupuy collectors, but I would guess this bottle to be worth around €60 in an auction.
Despite the low value, it was nice to read about this cognac. I have another bottle this time, the brand is a bit less known to my person and I’m not even sure if it’s cognac. Please take a look at the picture below.
J. Fouché is a brand that now belongs to AE Dor. But this here is not a cognac, but a German brandy.
I am not familiar with brandy prices, sorry.
I have a bottle of henessy fine champagne possibly bought in japan due to the Japanese wordings on the label. The barcode is 3245990001607 and there is another code series L3 336 33 00388. I just want to know how old this bottle of henessy could be.
Thanks
These bottles are from the 1980s (1984-1989), but I don’t know how to narrow it down from reading the barcode.
O have a Louis bottle no marks 10 spurs on each side top of spurs h
As 8round dots.cork has metal
Calp with ring running through it with screw and nut
Any question?
Hi
I have a “Classique de Martell Baccarat Decanter” that I am trying to find more information about.
Type, age etc.
But I have not found any information on the net.
Can you help me with any information on this, or can you point me in the right direction?
best regards
Are Elvestad
[Posted 23 of May]
Hello,
Have you looked on my Martell bottle catalog page, part 2?
Is it maybe the same as the third bottle at nr. 3 Decanters and extravaganza?
That is a rather expensive bottle, not seen very much. I would say 800-1000 US dollar if the blue box is present. Probably 1990s or late 1980s.
Let me know if it is this one.
Cheers,
Ton
I purchased a bottle of REMY MARTEN COGNAC IN FRANCE IN 1970 WHILE STATIONED IN FOUNTAINBLUSTILL SEALED FOR SALE
Can you tell me more about it?